Quote Originally Posted by arwan View Post
...I think the first one is a colmanara masai red...
That's what I said...

"Colmanara" Masai Red was originally registered as a hybrid of unknown parentage. How they decided it should be Colmanara without knowing the parents I don't know. Later it was determined to be the same cross as Oncostele (Odontoglossum) Midnight Miracles, registered 24 years earlier.