Vanda coerulea

[Brutal_Dreamer]

Lovely vanda orchid blooms regardless of the proper name.

Cheers,
BD

[zainal abidin]

Hi Wally and Tom, here are the labellum of so called the above flower and the pale color are coerulea from the jungle (peloric)

[zainal abidin]

First time blooming small plant pale bluish color.

[mr. suarez]

The labellum sidelobes are indeed close. But look at the differences in the column- in the 'jungle-collected' plant the column is obviously arched. Apart from that, the 'selected clone' appears to have a broader labellum. Whether these differences can be regarded as mere variations is an open question. Let's wait for Tom and Mietek to chime in.

This dilemma is also encountered in Euanthe sanderiana, where extensive cross-breeding has led to doppelgänger plants that look like the real thing. An even more alarming trend is to produce hybrids which look as closely identical to the species as possible.

[zainal abidin]

The labellum sidelobes are indeed close. But look at the differences in the column- in the 'jungle-collected' plant the column is obviously arched. Apart from that, the 'selected clone' appears to have a broader labellum. Whether these differences can be regarded as mere variations is an open question. Let's wait for Tom and Mietek to chime in.

This dilemma is also encountered in Euanthe sanderiana, where extensive cross-breeding has led to doppelgänger plants that look like the real thing. An even more alarming trend is to produce hybrids which look as closely identical to the species as possible.

Wally I love the discussion here so far we don't have any concrete solution to identify / differentiate between primary hybrids of coerulea is species or hybrids, I hope this task will be fruitful at the end of this thread.

[Tom-19951]

Some breeder in Thailand had crossed a Vanda coerulea hybrid back to this species(V. coerulea) twice to get this super nice V. coerulea. People in the trade know about it but have been very quiet about this "unethical" act.
I agree Mr. suarez's observation. Another thing I would like to point out is the normal V. coerulea will have more or less twisting petals(turning 180 degrees).

[mr. suarez]

Yes, that petal attitude I pointed out in my earlier post was something I thought was amiss. In fact, no matter how attractive Vanda coerulea is, those petals twisting at their bases is always a fault, at least in judges score cards, and is something that is inherent in true V. coerulea.

Incidentally, it is the Thai breeders who are also now engaged in the production of dirty hybrids masquerading as Euanthe sanderiana.