phal. polination

[gidi]

Hi
A week ago I polinated an orchid for the first time an phal hybrid, i did self polination, most of the flowers dried and fell off the spike but 3 are still attached to the spike and thier pedicel is still green and some parts and getting sowlen in the photos you can see 4 flowers attached to the spike since 1 flower i didn't polinate.
i would like to get any coments and advices about the corent condition and what should i expect to happen if all goes well

thanks

[salvador1970]

Hi Gidi,

I haven't tried the polination yet as it seems to be very difficult to germinate the seeds at a later stage in a sterile environment so I am also anxious on the answers you will get

Good luck

Fadi

[Bikerdoc5968]

With Phals what you see in your 2nd pic is normal. Now the ovary will swell and stay green for some time depending on the hybrid. I'm not sure how to tell if the pod is mature and can be removed and flasked. If you don't want to flask these yourself, try to find someone in a local orchid society or you can do a web search and find services that will do it for a fee. You may even be able to get someone on the forum who is up to the challenge.

[jeffrey6115]

APPROXIMATE SEED MATURATION STAGES FOR GREEN POD CULTURE
Genus/Hybrid
Approximate
time interval
Aerides species and hybrids 5 to 6 months
Ansellia species and hybrids 4 to 5 months
Brassavola nodosa and other terete Brassavola hybrids 4 to 5 months
B. digbyana and B. glauca (Rhyncholaelia) hybrids 5 to 6 months
Brassocattleya hybrids 4 to 6 months
Brassolaeliocatteya hybrids 4 to 6 months
Broughtonia hybrids 60 days

Cattleya hybrids:

Labiata type, white, lavender, white with colored-lip 5 to 6 months
bifoliate 4 to 5 months
SLC., Potinara 5 months
Chochlioda 9 to 11 months
Chysis 5 to 6 months
Cirrhopetalum 4 to 6 months
Cymbidium 9 to 12 months
Dendrobium species and hybrids:
Dendrobium devonianum 5 to 8 months
Dendrobium lituifolium 5 to 9 months
Dendrobium phalaenopsis 5 to 6 months
Dendrobium nobile 4 to 5 months
Dendrobium pierardii & other pendulous Dendrobium hybrids 5 months
Dendrobium stratiotes and hybrids 6 to 7 months
Dendrobium superbiens and hybrids 5 to 8 months
Dendrobium superbum and hybrids 5 to 8 months
Doritaenopsis 3 months
Doritis pulcherrima 2 to 3 months
Encyclia 4 to 6 months
Epicattleya and other novelties 5 months
Most Epidendrum hybrids 4 to 5 months
E. pseudepidendrum 90 days
Laelia and Schomburgkia Hybrids 4 to 5 months
Oncidium altissimum 2 to 3 months
Oncidium bahamense 3 to 5 months
Oncidium bauerii 6 to 8 months
Oncidium carthagenense 3 to 5 months
Oncidium flexuosum 3 to 5 months
Oncidium jonesianum 6 to 8 months
Oncidium lanceanum 2 to 3 months
Oncidium lucayanum 6 to 8 months
Oncidium luridum and related Oncidium hybrids 3 to 5 months
Oncidium maculatum 4 to 6 months
Oncidium microchilum 2 to 3 months
Oncidium pulchellum 4 to 6 months
Oncidium splendidum 5 months
Oncidium triquetrum hybrids 60 days
Most other equitant Oncidium hybrids 4 months
Oncidium sphacelatum and related Oncidium hybrids 2 to 3 months
Oncidium variegatum 100 days
Psychopsis papilio, kramerianum & Psychopsiella limminghei hybrids 3 to 5 months
Lemboglossum 12 to 15 months
Laelia cinnabarina 3 to 4 months
Laelia flava 3 to 4 months
Laelia harpophylla 4 to 5 months
Laelia perrinii 4 to 6 months
Laelia purpurata 4 to 6 months
Laelia rubescens 4 to 6 months
Laelia xanthina 4 to 5 months
Laeliocattleya hybrids 4 to 6 months
Maxillaria 4 to 6 months
Mltonia and Odontoglossum hybrids 4 months
Paphiopedilum 8 to 10 months
Phaius 4 to 5 months
Phalaenopsis hybrids 110 days
Renanthera 5 to 6 months
Rhyncholaelia 4 to 6 months
Rhynchostylis hybrids 5 to 8 months
Rodriquezia 3 to 5 months
Sarcochilus 6 to 9 months
Schomburgkia 4 to 5 months
Sophrocattleya 3 to 5 months
Sophronitis 2 to 3 months
Stanhopea 4 to 7 months
Trichopilia 4 to 5 months
Vanda, Ascocenda and Ascocentrum hybrids 5 to 7 months
After 65 days some Vanda seed capsules may turn slightly yellow but are not ready to be planted and should be allowed to remain on the plant the full length of time. If the capsule contains no viable seed it will usually continue to turn yellow and drop off.
Vandopsis 5 to 6 months
Vanilla 2 to 3 months
Zygopetalum 7 to 9 months
NOTE:
The above mentioned time intervals refer to the plant carrying the seed capsules; usually the pollen parent does not influence the time interval.

Example:
Psychopsis papilio X Oncidium luridum - requires 100 days.
Oncidium luridum X Psychopsis. papilio - requires 7 months.
Unfortunately, the time required for complex intergeneric hybrids is only established after the capsule splits. One can safeguard against splitting by making 2 or more seed capsules of the same cross and immediately after the first one splits, the remaining capsules are harvested.

In most cases, the longer a seed capsule is allowed to remain on the plant, without danger of loosing the plant or the seed capsule, the better the results obtained.

[Brutal_Dreamer]

Thanks, Jeff.

Cheers,
BD

[gidi]

photos update on ovary

[jeffrey6115]

Looking good!

[mah0609]

hi

looking good, did you remove ?--if you did it's not going to work
I left my phal for about 3 months and it actually bursted--you have to have extremely


http://www.phytotechlab.com/pdf/Orch...ermination.pdf

hope this helps