peloric and/or NOID

[sddivey]

Can anyone please explain these terms in "orchid" language to me. I recently found out that I have a Phal with peloric petals, but would like to know others opinions on this matter.
THANKS!

[78Terp]

Hi again!

NoID means 'I don't know the identification/name of this orchid or plant'
Peloric- I found this definition on the IOSPE website "Orchid Species Glossary' link: And it does contradict my earlier comment about peloric to some degree. It apparently is considered a mal-formity, it is still bred intentionally. I own a peloric phal but it has not flowered for me yet. I think it will this coming phal blooming season.

Peloria: An hereditary malformation which adds extra segments to a flower

Here is the link to that glossary:
Jay's Orchid Species Encyclopedia Glossary

[Carolla]

This little Phal is considered peloric, although it would be considered malformed, it is one of my favorites. It is also a "NOID" meaning no identification, which I pefer to have the name and parentage of my orchids, for enjoyment its not that big a deal to me. I'm not breeding them.

[sddivey]

HA - I get it NO ID! a bit slow sometimes....
OK thanks for the peloric clarification. In Greek it means Monster....was worried for a minute.
Carolla- beautiful peloric....mine is growing on me.

[PaphMadMan]

The actual definition of peloria, as used in botanical descriptions of floral anatomy, could be stated as: Changes in a zygomorphic flower that give it more actinomorphic anatomy. That means a change from bilateral symmetry to more radial symmetry. It may or may not involve added segments. It is a malformity in the sense that it represents a change from the normal anatomy. That doesn't mean it can't be horticulturally desirable. Peloria is the condition, peloric is a term to describe flowers with that condition.

When a Phalaenopsis has petals that partly mimic the lip, it qualifies as peloric. That kind of change is the most common correct use of the term in orchids. Sometimes the term is incorrectly applied to other changes in floral anatomy.

NOID simply means "no ID", no identification, no name.

[Yug]

I agree with the last post - when I see a bloom that is 'peloric' it tends to show some of the lip characteristics (like shape or color) in the petals. I have seen it in doritis blooms, and in a cattleya intermedia var aquinii. Some find peloric blooms more attractive, some don't (eye of the beholder...). I don't.

[chingjervis]

Wow! Whatever it is. Carol and sddivey those are lovley phal!

Beauty is really in the eye of the beholder.

[raybark]

Peloria (or pelorism) in orchids is best defined as "the existence of symmetry where none is expected". In orchids that can be petals whose form mimics the lip OR a lip that mimics the form of the petals.

Yug - the splashed-petal catts, for the most part, are merely pigmentation alterations, not form, so really are not peloric.

[kspalding]

Originally I believed peloric just meant centers didn't open all the way. But then I saw it used to describe a phal that ruffled but wasn't suppose to.

[Yug]

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Yug - the splashed-petal catts, for the most part, are merely pigmentation alterations, not form, so really are not peloric.

Ray - I've seen 'splash' petals, and I agree that they are merely color alterations. C. intermedia var aquinii does not fall in that category; there is an alteration of the petal shape, also, as it takes on more of the lip characteristics besides only the color. In the photo of the var aquinii (first photo), the altered shape of the petal is clearly seen when compared with the normal type. This is not merely a splash petal.